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www.freebets.com 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,570 [Applause] 16 00:01:13,380 --> 00:01:10,940 [Music] 17 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:13,390 welcome to a very special episode of 18 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:15,970 somewhere in the skies this week we did 19 00:01:20,670 --> 00:01:17,920 a podcast swap with former guest and 20 00:01:23,310 --> 00:01:20,680 podcast host Jim Perry of the UFO met 21 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:23,320 podcast and web series if you haven't 22 00:01:27,450 --> 00:01:25,540 subscribed to a show I highly recommend 23 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:27,460 doing it right now on your device or a 24 00:01:30,060 --> 00:01:28,390 computer 25 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:30,070 he just featured an interview I 26 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:32,470 conducted with him as my guest on his 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:33,190 feed 28 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:35,530 so this week I'm sharing the love over 29 00:01:40,260 --> 00:01:37,600 here at somewhere in the skies while 30 00:01:42,389 --> 00:01:40,270 traveling the US with filmmaker Carl 31 00:01:45,389 --> 00:01:42,399 Pfeiffer Jim made a stop in New York 32 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:45,399 City to interview me on his show as 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:47,470 weekend to reminisce about his last 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:49,930 appearance on episode 95 of summer in 35 00:01:55,109 --> 00:01:52,090 the skies I begin to open up about my 36 00:01:58,889 --> 00:01:55,119 curiosity and hunger to learn more not 37 00:02:00,990 --> 00:01:58,899 about UFOs but the paranormal it was 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:01,000 always a peripheral interest of mine 39 00:02:05,340 --> 00:02:03,490 obviously having something to do with 40 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:05,350 UFOs right 41 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:07,750 maybe I don't know but the more I 42 00:02:13,289 --> 00:02:09,640 started digging and the more I started 43 00:02:15,270 --> 00:02:13,299 to open my eyes my mind and my heart the 44 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:15,280 more the paranormal became less 45 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:17,590 peripheral and became an unescapable 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:20,590 focus of my work my life in my 47 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:23,170 relationship to the unknown I invited 48 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:25,360 Jim to a place that felt like a second 49 00:02:31,229 --> 00:02:28,959 home to me the stage the 13th Street 50 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:31,239 Repertory Theatre in Manhattan to be 51 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:34,030 exact this was the first theater in New 52 00:02:39,509 --> 00:02:36,400 York City where one of my plays came to 53 00:02:41,370 --> 00:02:39,519 life for the very first time see when 54 00:02:44,130 --> 00:02:41,380 I'm not hunting UFOs are talking about 55 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:44,140 the unknown I'm a playwright within the 56 00:02:48,630 --> 00:02:46,810 last few years I've began to merge my 57 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:48,640 lives together and have started to write 58 00:02:54,210 --> 00:02:51,820 plays about the UFO topic it's a 59 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:54,220 marriage I haven't seen done before in 60 00:03:00,750 --> 00:02:57,370 evil world and one that is challenging 61 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:00,760 and always evolving in this interview 62 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Jim pulls things out of me that may give 63 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:04,810 you a whole new perspective on me as a 64 00:03:10,259 --> 00:03:08,140 UFO researcher a podcast host but maybe 65 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:10,269 most importantly as an individual 66 00:03:15,140 --> 00:03:12,250 struggling to make sense of the world 67 00:03:16,910 --> 00:03:15,150 around me just like everyone else 68 00:03:19,819 --> 00:03:16,920 this is a sight of me I don't share 69 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:19,829 often on the podcast or even in person 70 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:22,049 so I really hope you enjoy this 71 00:03:26,179 --> 00:03:24,209 interview I took pardon please be sure 72 00:03:29,149 --> 00:03:26,189 to check out the video companion piece 73 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:29,159 shot and directed by Carl Pfeiffer it's 74 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:31,500 titled somewhere over on the planet 75 00:03:35,690 --> 00:03:33,599 weird YouTube channel but most 76 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:35,700 importantly be sure to subscribe to you 77 00:03:40,009 --> 00:03:37,680 from that wherever you get your podcasts 78 00:03:42,259 --> 00:03:40,019 but for now I hope you enjoyed this 79 00:03:43,099 --> 00:03:42,269 deeply personal conversation I had with 80 00:03:45,589 --> 00:03:43,109 Jim berry 81 00:03:48,619 --> 00:03:45,599 and I'm wishing all of you a very happy 82 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:48,629 holiday season keep looking up and keep 83 00:04:00,440 --> 00:03:58,849 it was nighttime I was fishing everyone 84 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:00,450 always asked me why were you fishing at 85 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:02,519 night I just that's what I was doing 86 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:05,129 I have no answer from that but that's 87 00:04:14,090 --> 00:04:10,170 I remember I was listening to Green Day 88 00:04:18,410 --> 00:04:14,100 it was basket case I think yeah yeah 89 00:04:21,090 --> 00:04:18,420 there's got to be something to that I 90 00:04:23,130 --> 00:04:21,100 just remember like the percussion coming 91 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:23,140 in and that's when I saw like this 92 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:27,220 reflection in the water looked up and 93 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:30,250 what the what the hell is that and I 94 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:33,600 look up and I see a triangular formation 95 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:36,910 not an object I saw no structure I just 96 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:40,600 saw lights but they were floating over 97 00:04:44,940 --> 00:04:43,330 this body of water my dad comes out and 98 00:04:46,890 --> 00:04:44,950 he sees the tail end of the thing is 99 00:04:53,150 --> 00:04:46,900 it's floating over the water towards 100 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:53,160 Canada and I I could just tell like he 101 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:55,750 you know when your parent is telling you 102 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:56,560 the truth 103 00:05:00,180 --> 00:04:58,960 you know like growing up like when 104 00:05:02,790 --> 00:05:00,190 they're teaching you these life lessons 105 00:05:05,210 --> 00:05:02,800 er you know they tell you not to worry 106 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:05,220 about something but you are worried I 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:07,570 could tell it was a moment where he 108 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:09,970 wasn't quite sure what to say 109 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:15,130 I think looking back at it now if I had 110 00:05:19,650 --> 00:05:17,920 had that same UFO experience now I would 111 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:19,660 have taken something different from it 112 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:23,260 as a kid I was just like what the heck 113 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:26,020 is that like is it gonna blow me up or 114 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:28,750 like what's going on I wasn't into UFOs 115 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:30,190 when that happened I didn't know 116 00:05:35,970 --> 00:05:33,610 anything about him but now I'm so 117 00:05:39,030 --> 00:05:35,980 entrenched in it every day of my waking 118 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:39,040 life that if I had that experience now I 119 00:05:44,790 --> 00:05:41,890 think I'd be bringing an entire whole 120 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:44,800 new set of questions to it you know what 121 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:47,200 I I I feel like I'd have more ideas of 122 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:52,380 what it wasn't and then to have your own 123 00:06:00,960 --> 00:05:56,140 protector your father see the same thing 124 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:00,970 as you and not know what it was and try 125 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:01,810 to calm me down 126 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:05,970 say it's just a plane it's just this I 127 00:06:12,690 --> 00:06:08,920 wonder now like what he would think if 128 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:12,700 we saw it both as adults if he would 129 00:06:18,750 --> 00:06:15,370 have had a different story to tell me he 130 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:18,760 didn't talk about it forever and I 131 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:20,710 remember a few years ago we were at a 132 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:24,160 bar in Syracuse New York where I live I 133 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:27,850 was visiting him and he just like 134 00:06:33,220 --> 00:06:29,600 unloaded on me 135 00:06:35,410 --> 00:06:33,230 all about what I was doing like what's 136 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:35,420 new in the world of UFOs you know trying 137 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:37,610 to connect with his son some 20 years 138 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:40,910 later and I loved it like I loved having 139 00:06:45,010 --> 00:06:42,650 that moment where with him where I could 140 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:45,020 tell him about this world that I'd kind 141 00:06:53,650 --> 00:06:50,270 of been pulled to but also manifested I 142 00:06:56,350 --> 00:06:53,660 think to and the communities that I 143 00:07:00,280 --> 00:06:56,360 found within that and it was so cool to 144 00:07:04,570 --> 00:07:00,290 like explain to him what my life was now 145 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:04,580 and I could just I could tell he wanted 146 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:08,240 to talk about that night and I asked him 147 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:10,340 I said do you remember any of that he 148 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:14,660 said oh yeah yeah of course and I was 149 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:17,810 like what do you think it was and he 150 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:20,480 just behave what demeanors I have no 151 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:24,270 idea like I I don't know what it was 152 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:33,170 I'm Jim Perry and you are listening to 153 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:35,910 you foment a show about the unknown and 154 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:39,870 our relationship to it on this edition a 155 00:07:45,980 --> 00:07:43,710 storyteller redefining his own carrying 156 00:07:48,610 --> 00:07:45,990 the anomalous experiences of others with 157 00:07:52,159 --> 00:07:48,620 him while spiraling into the unknown 158 00:08:01,380 --> 00:07:52,169 UFOs alien abductions and something 159 00:08:01,390 --> 00:08:06,000 [Music] 160 00:08:11,530 --> 00:08:08,620 the ceiling is seemingly at arm's reach 161 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:11,540 down here the light fixtures above even 162 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:14,270 swing as we pass below like some pipe an 163 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:17,290 flying saucer prop from a 50s hoaxer 164 00:08:22,780 --> 00:08:19,940 bouncing light from black painted brick 165 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:22,790 to the stages wooden floor I'm in a 166 00:08:27,010 --> 00:08:24,080 small theater in New York with 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:27,020 playwright author podcaster burgeoning 168 00:08:32,740 --> 00:08:31,130 TV UFO personality Ryan's break he's 169 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:32,750 brought me here to show me where it all 170 00:08:37,510 --> 00:08:35,150 started the place where he aligned his 171 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:37,520 seemingly disparate passions into 172 00:08:44,530 --> 00:08:40,430 personage the place where he finds 173 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:44,540 himself where he finds his true work I'm 174 00:08:50,110 --> 00:08:48,290 very shy I'm very shy and very quiet I'm 175 00:08:52,570 --> 00:08:50,120 a listener when I was in high school I 176 00:08:54,580 --> 00:08:52,580 did a play and that was the first time 177 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:54,590 that I got in front of an audience and 178 00:09:01,150 --> 00:08:57,530 like expressed myself and it changed my 179 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:01,160 life I wouldn't say it was good by any 180 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:04,160 means but I did it and I caught the bug 181 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:06,320 you know that whole cliche of catching 182 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:08,570 the theater bug and now we're here today 183 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:19,430 yes Broadway yeah dude oh my god yeah 184 00:09:24,579 --> 00:09:21,770 the I mean these these are my theaters 185 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:24,589 here this is where my first ever play 186 00:09:28,460 --> 00:09:26,490 was produced 187 00:09:32,060 --> 00:09:28,470 I've been writing I've been struggling 188 00:09:34,970 --> 00:09:32,070 and I actually got hired to write a play 189 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:34,980 I was commissioned they were they gave 190 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:37,440 me the topic a play about a serial 191 00:09:43,079 --> 00:09:39,000 killer said we want you to write about 192 00:09:49,049 --> 00:09:46,529 and knows that's pretty cool I wouldn't 193 00:09:51,929 --> 00:09:49,059 know where to begin I never in a period 194 00:09:54,749 --> 00:09:51,939 piece I'd never done like a British 195 00:09:58,229 --> 00:09:54,759 dialogue anything like that before in my 196 00:10:01,199 --> 00:09:58,239 playwriting program and I remember 197 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:01,209 opening night I was terrified the play 198 00:10:06,389 --> 00:10:02,409 had gone through so many different 199 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:06,399 iterations and successes and failures in 200 00:10:09,989 --> 00:10:08,769 terms of development and I hadn't no 201 00:10:12,629 --> 00:10:09,999 idea what people were going to think 202 00:10:13,019 --> 00:10:12,639 about it and I was really scared you 203 00:10:18,059 --> 00:10:13,029 know 204 00:10:20,069 --> 00:10:18,069 I just I it took over my life from this 205 00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:20,079 two years learning about serial killers 206 00:10:24,029 --> 00:10:21,969 what makes them tick what makes them do 207 00:10:26,579 --> 00:10:24,039 the things they do the psychology behind 208 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:26,589 it is fascinating and it was to me and 209 00:10:31,649 --> 00:10:28,569 trying to bring that out on a live stage 210 00:10:35,309 --> 00:10:31,659 I had no idea how it was gonna play out 211 00:10:36,899 --> 00:10:35,319 because people actually were murdered by 212 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:36,909 check the Ripper no matter how much we 213 00:10:44,699 --> 00:10:40,089 think it's cool or the interesting that 214 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:44,709 we don't know whoever it was the place 215 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:47,199 started and the opening that it's like a 216 00:10:51,959 --> 00:10:50,409 tableau and it's a apartment kind of 217 00:10:54,749 --> 00:10:51,969 like what we're seeing here today and 218 00:10:57,329 --> 00:10:54,759 there's a window it's very dark all you 219 00:11:00,599 --> 00:10:57,339 see is the window being pried open from 220 00:11:03,479 --> 00:11:00,609 outside a dark figure coming in 221 00:11:05,789 --> 00:11:03,489 surveying the room and then there's a 222 00:11:09,019 --> 00:11:05,799 knock on the door and the figure goes 223 00:11:11,369 --> 00:11:09,029 and hides in another room and I remember 224 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:11,379 right when that happened a guy in the 225 00:11:16,469 --> 00:11:13,689 front row he stood up he was like 226 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:16,479 this no I'm leaving and he literally got 227 00:11:22,309 --> 00:11:19,240 up and left the theater 228 00:11:26,850 --> 00:11:22,319 so that was a moment where I was like 229 00:11:29,819 --> 00:11:26,860 yes like yes I got someone to leave my 230 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:29,829 plate before it even started you know 231 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:32,110 that could be a big problem for a lot of 232 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:33,970 playwrights but the fact that like it 233 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:36,850 invoked a reaction from someone when the 234 00:11:40,949 --> 00:11:38,769 dialog hadn't even started in the play 235 00:11:42,419 --> 00:11:40,959 yet it was like okay all right that's 236 00:11:49,290 --> 00:11:42,429 cool like that's something I'm gonna 237 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:49,300 remember the play goes on people left 238 00:11:54,989 --> 00:11:52,540 they they felt really uncomfortable they 239 00:12:00,119 --> 00:11:54,999 they loved moments they hated moments I 240 00:12:01,710 --> 00:12:00,129 and clapped yay play done and I remember 241 00:12:03,059 --> 00:12:01,720 being how in that Wahhabi and just 242 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:03,069 talking to people you know 243 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:06,069 congratulations or I thought this blah 244 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:10,540 blah blah and I remember there was a guy 245 00:12:15,749 --> 00:12:13,600 a younger gentleman and an older 246 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:15,759 gentleman and the younger guy he had 247 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:20,170 like almost like a nursing there's like 248 00:12:26,249 --> 00:12:23,740 an RN outfit on and I was like that's 249 00:12:28,109 --> 00:12:26,259 like wait what brought you here I was 250 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:28,119 like I came with this the guy in the 251 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:29,490 bathroom 252 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:32,430 like oh okay like are you in like is he 253 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:35,279 a director writer is a oh no he's a 254 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:40,110 patient boy but he goes out and he tells 255 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:43,080 me yeah he's a patient at the Bellevue 256 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:45,720 psychiatric ward he heard about this 257 00:12:49,550 --> 00:12:48,120 play and they get one night a month 258 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:49,560 where they can go out and do something 259 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:51,600 and he wanted to come here so I had to 260 00:12:57,949 --> 00:12:54,740 come with him to see this play 261 00:13:02,780 --> 00:12:57,959 that was a moment Rosen what the 262 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:02,790 like I'm writing kind of a parody of a 263 00:13:08,449 --> 00:13:05,910 horror ask sort of film noir thing going 264 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:08,459 on with Jack the Ripper and like a tude 265 00:13:13,130 --> 00:13:11,010 from a psych ward had one night to come 266 00:13:16,579 --> 00:13:13,140 out on the town or whatever and he came 267 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:16,589 to see this play I I was speechless when 268 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,770 the dude told me that and I didn't know 269 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:21,600 what to say I didn't know how to take 270 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:25,800 that but I I knew that I had either done 271 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:27,300 something right or something really 272 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:29,810 wrong yeah 273 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:36,610 [Music] 274 00:13:42,430 --> 00:13:39,710 through theater ryan meets his future 275 00:13:45,070 --> 00:13:42,440 mentor famed writer peter robbins author 276 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:45,080 of seminal UFO works including a 277 00:13:49,810 --> 00:13:47,450 landmark investigation into a 1980 278 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:49,820 encounter at a US air force base in 279 00:13:55,510 --> 00:13:52,460 england known widely as the Rendlesham 280 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:55,520 forest incident with help from robbins 281 00:13:59,920 --> 00:13:57,110 brian is finally able to marry his 282 00:14:02,290 --> 00:13:59,930 passions in theater and UFO when he pins 283 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:02,300 a play based off the event and robbins 284 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:04,910 investigation work on the play ignites 285 00:14:10,269 --> 00:14:07,730 ryan's ambition to continue UFO research 286 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:10,279 and in no time he's following closer and 287 00:14:14,590 --> 00:14:12,529 his mentors footsteps than ever with 288 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:14,600 boots on the ground collecting stories 289 00:14:19,810 --> 00:14:17,300 from real experiences he starts work on 290 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:19,820 his first UFO book somewhere in the 291 00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:24,230 skies I remember the first abductee I 292 00:14:33,190 --> 00:14:29,750 ever interviewed I was flying to Arizona 293 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:33,200 to interview this woman and the whole 294 00:14:39,370 --> 00:14:35,240 way there I'm like what am i doing this 295 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:39,380 is ridiculous like I I'm so on the fence 296 00:14:45,340 --> 00:14:42,290 about alien abduction like it's just I 297 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:45,350 don't know I'm gonna be judgmental the 298 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:47,600 minute I meet her and this that and I 299 00:14:51,370 --> 00:14:50,089 remember meeting or at a diner and her 300 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:51,380 husband was with her which I wasn't 301 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:52,910 expecting I thought was just gonna be us 302 00:14:59,260 --> 00:14:56,330 and the minute I met her and she hugged 303 00:15:01,240 --> 00:14:59,270 me and we sat down and like had a meal 304 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:01,250 together I was like okay this is 305 00:15:07,450 --> 00:15:03,740 actually normal this is cool she's not 306 00:15:10,930 --> 00:15:07,460 some like weird new agey person like 307 00:15:15,780 --> 00:15:10,940 saying she's a star seed and all this 308 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:15,790 again you know I'm not one to judge but 309 00:15:21,820 --> 00:15:20,240 we sat there we ate and then we had to 310 00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:21,830 come face-to-face with the fact that I'm 311 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:22,790 here for a reason 312 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:24,920 like I need to hear your story and I 313 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:29,150 just remember her diving into it and the 314 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:32,300 more she got into the details of what 315 00:15:37,810 --> 00:15:34,730 had happened to her that she was taken 316 00:15:41,230 --> 00:15:37,820 from her bed at night and that she was 317 00:15:44,050 --> 00:15:41,240 put on this slab and that there were all 318 00:15:45,790 --> 00:15:44,060 these creatures around her and she could 319 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:45,800 remember like the temperature in the 320 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:46,230 room 321 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:48,570 and she could see perspiration on these 322 00:15:59,330 --> 00:15:52,740 creatures skin and how scared she was 323 00:16:01,850 --> 00:15:59,340 and like I didn't know like how to react 324 00:16:04,070 --> 00:16:01,860 so I'm just like nodding okay okay and 325 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,080 then I could see her like trembling as 326 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:06,720 she was telling it and that was like the 327 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:08,730 moment was like okay this is really 328 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:11,970 really affecting her and then I saw her 329 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:14,730 husband grab her hand and just squeeze 330 00:16:20,060 --> 00:16:18,690 it and she started crying the more and 331 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:20,070 more she got into this story 332 00:16:25,390 --> 00:16:24,600 and that was that was a moment I'll 333 00:16:35,139 --> 00:16:25,400 never forget 334 00:16:39,169 --> 00:16:35,149 [Music] 335 00:16:43,999 --> 00:16:39,179 no matter what happened to her recalling 336 00:16:51,379 --> 00:16:44,009 this memory of whatever it was affected 337 00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:51,389 her so deeply and it almost meant more 338 00:16:59,299 --> 00:16:55,589 that her husband was there telling her 339 00:17:02,419 --> 00:16:59,309 you can do it and comforting her and 340 00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:02,429 supporting her that I'm like you are 341 00:17:07,100 --> 00:17:05,579 like everyday people and your wife is 342 00:17:10,129 --> 00:17:07,110 telling me she was abducted by aliens 343 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:10,139 and you're like just you can do it you 344 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:12,550 can do it that 345 00:17:19,490 --> 00:17:15,710 [Music] 346 00:17:24,409 --> 00:17:22,309 I don't know if it did it actually 347 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:24,419 happened I don't know but I left that 348 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:27,750 night being like who why did I get 349 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:37,440 [Music] 350 00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:40,050 I went there being like this is gonna be 351 00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:42,220 a cool story that I can maybe put in a 352 00:17:47,910 --> 00:17:44,460 book people be like ah yeah 353 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:47,920 alien-abduction cool and I left being 354 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:51,730 like like I have a responsibility 355 00:17:58,140 --> 00:17:55,660 to this woman she never told this to 356 00:18:01,950 --> 00:17:58,150 anyone else and she agreed to do it with 357 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:01,960 me because she trusted me and that was 358 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:03,970 the first story I recorded for my book 359 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:07,810 and from there it had to live up to that 360 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:10,390 level for me of I need these people to 361 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:15,640 trust me and I need to trust them it's 362 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:21,970 sad to me that that no one will believe 363 00:18:30,690 --> 00:18:27,880 them and that we can live in a world 364 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:30,700 that claims I should say a society that 365 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:32,830 claims to be so open-minded and 366 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:37,330 accepting and when you have these very 367 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:40,480 stable people genuine people coming 368 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:42,940 forward and just saying they saw a light 369 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:45,910 in the sky and someone tells them there 370 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:49,450 they were drunk or they misidentified 371 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:52,240 something that for me is just like 372 00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:56,230 aren't we past this so many people have 373 00:19:01,770 --> 00:18:58,450 seen UFOs so many people have claimed 374 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,780 these encounter experiences that no 375 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:03,520 matter what it is I'm not saying it's an 376 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:06,040 alien from another planet it could be 377 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:07,990 anything but the fact that these people 378 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:10,150 are having these experiences and are 379 00:19:13,890 --> 00:19:11,830 willing to come forward to talk about it 380 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:13,900 and then to have nobody listening to 381 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:16,840 them or to immediately like just brush 382 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:19,860 it off I don't blame people in many ways 383 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:24,010 until you meet them and you see like 384 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:26,530 they have nothing to gain from this like 385 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:28,600 the days of writing a book about an 386 00:19:33,780 --> 00:19:31,210 alien abduction and making tons of money 387 00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:33,790 those are over they're over it 388 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:36,820 was a fad and now you still have people 389 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:38,650 telling those stories like are they 390 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:40,630 trying to like hold on tight to those 391 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:44,950 last moments of like you know prosperity 392 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:49,210 maybe but for all those people who might 393 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:50,500 be making up 394 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:52,870 there's ten people behind them who are 395 00:19:56,670 --> 00:19:55,030 telling the truth and I honestly believe 396 00:20:03,540 --> 00:19:56,680 them 397 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:07,960 [Music] 398 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:10,010 I don't know what it is but it's there 399 00:20:15,460 --> 00:20:13,370 and it's staring us in the face and 400 00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:15,470 we're trying to stay back but I don't 401 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:17,030 think we know how and I don't think 402 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:19,970 people are ready I think we're on it's 403 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:20,890 timeline 404 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:25,520 [Music] 405 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:32,850 so this was two years ago I was speaking 406 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:35,880 at a UFO conference or not a UFO 407 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:38,130 conference more of like a esoteric 408 00:20:42,020 --> 00:20:40,110 conference you know you had the go 409 00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:42,030 sucker there you had the ufologist he 410 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:44,160 had the cryptozoologist and it was cool 411 00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,930 it was great like if I was learning 412 00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:48,240 stuff I was experiencing new things and 413 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:51,660 they invited me out to Nova Scotia which 414 00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:54,630 I had never been to growing up pretty 415 00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:55,470 close to Canada 416 00:21:02,210 --> 00:20:59,400 I just never made it that far and part 417 00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,220 of our like initiation that weekend was 418 00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,320 to go on a ghost hunt which I've never 419 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:06,240 done before in my life you know I've 420 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:08,910 seen all the TV shows I had heard about 421 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:11,190 you know what goes on with these things 422 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:15,720 and honestly man like I went in thinking 423 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:18,960 I'm just gonna play the role like it'll 424 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:21,720 be cool like we'll act like some crazy 425 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:24,390 happened and have a good spook and 426 00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:27,180 and go on with the weekend so we went to 427 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:30,750 this historically haunted place in Nova 428 00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:33,120 Scotia called the Queens County Museum 429 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:37,860 it had a really long history of the 430 00:21:40,930 --> 00:21:39,540 indigenous people who had lived there 431 00:21:43,550 --> 00:21:40,940 for so long 432 00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:43,560 and then you know the settlers that came 433 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:46,380 in after that so you just got endless 434 00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:55,960 so yeah we were kinda you know going 435 00:22:00,850 --> 00:21:58,130 going I was going into this museum 436 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:00,860 thinking nothing was gonna happen that 437 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:04,250 you know maybe someone's EMF reader 438 00:22:09,670 --> 00:22:07,820 who's gonna go off or a ghost ghost 439 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:09,680 spirit box is gonna pick up a random 440 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:11,570 word here and there and someone would 441 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:14,510 interpret it as either dead and turn 442 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:16,850 like some person coming back from the 443 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:18,680 dead and I was like alright this will be 444 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:20,630 fun this would be fun so I remember 445 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:25,670 going throughout the museum and kind of 446 00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:27,890 just rolling my eyes and people are like 447 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:29,960 authors look at that up there like 448 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:31,970 there's something up there I can see it 449 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:33,320 I can feel it 450 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:35,530 we're catching it on the camera Baba and 451 00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:40,610 I just I couldn't believe I was there 452 00:22:48,250 --> 00:22:43,910 like doing this like oh man this just 453 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:48,260 seems so cheesy corny to me and it's 454 00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:51,050 funny because I'd I'd been so entrenched 455 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:53,660 in UFOs for so long that when someone 456 00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:55,010 told me they saw something in this guy 457 00:22:58,030 --> 00:22:56,480 like yes okay 458 00:23:00,850 --> 00:22:58,040 I had heard people say they were taken 459 00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:00,860 by aliens but I couldn't accept for some 460 00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:02,900 reason that people were communicating 461 00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:08,240 with the dead I don't know if it was a 462 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:12,200 fear that it could actually happen or or 463 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:15,440 what it was if I was just overly 464 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:17,960 skeptical about it but I just found 465 00:23:23,050 --> 00:23:20,780 myself like rolling my eyes when someone 466 00:23:25,540 --> 00:23:23,060 was like I caught something like this 467 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:25,550 that this that and I kind of like 468 00:23:31,930 --> 00:23:27,730 distanced myself in every room and 469 00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:31,940 looked at these people I wouldn't say I 470 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:33,980 looked down at him but I kind of was 471 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:36,770 like fine like if that's gonna get them 472 00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:38,150 through the night and make them feel 473 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:40,520 like something happened cool 474 00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:42,410 [Music] 475 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:45,559 and I remember this one moment where we 476 00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:48,230 went into this room of the museum called 477 00:23:52,659 --> 00:23:50,390 the activity room where like kids could 478 00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:52,669 go and play while the parents went to 479 00:23:59,529 --> 00:23:56,929 the museum and everything and they had 480 00:24:03,340 --> 00:23:59,539 one of these spirit boxes in the room at 481 00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:03,350 the time and for those who don't know 482 00:24:09,549 --> 00:24:05,980 it's like this thing that catches radio 483 00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:09,559 frequencies like per second even quicker 484 00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:11,990 and you try to catch things on it and 485 00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:13,870 maybe you get a word here and there and 486 00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:15,740 supposedly it's a spirit that's 487 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:18,860 communicating with you and you know this 488 00:24:24,909 --> 00:24:20,690 is all new to me so I'm like okay that's 489 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:24,919 cool so we go in the room and it's pitch 490 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:30,200 black and we start catching on on the 491 00:24:34,930 --> 00:24:32,510 spirit box the voice of a little girl 492 00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,940 and I thought it was really interesting 493 00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:37,039 because like it wasn't catching a 494 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:40,220 commercial from a radio show it wasn't 495 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:42,620 catching like a lyrics from a song it 496 00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:45,470 was the voice of a little girl like 497 00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:49,039 clear as day and it sounded like she was 498 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:52,940 crying and it was constant on the spirit 499 00:24:56,289 --> 00:24:54,440 box which again like I didn't think was 500 00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:56,299 possible like again there's meter 501 00:25:01,630 --> 00:24:57,799 flipping through these frequencies at 502 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:01,640 like crazy rate and we kept catching 503 00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:04,970 this girl like almost whimpering and it 504 00:25:09,159 --> 00:25:06,440 kind of scared me at first I'm like 505 00:25:12,909 --> 00:25:09,169 that's a little freaky but whatever like 506 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:12,919 anything can happen and so our host is 507 00:25:17,649 --> 00:25:15,980 like oh this must be Lily the little 508 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:17,659 girl that haunts this room like she 509 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:21,230 comes here all the time and she's scared 510 00:25:24,580 --> 00:25:23,090 of adults cuz there's so much taller 511 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:24,590 than her like let's get down to her 512 00:25:30,430 --> 00:25:27,640 level so we literally all crouched down 513 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:30,440 to get down to this gross level and I'm 514 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:33,049 playing along I'm like okay like I see 515 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:35,290 where this is going let's like 516 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,590 like lilies here let's see what happens 517 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:42,000 next me up were down on the ground and 518 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:45,010 immediately when we all got down on the 519 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,530 ground it started going through the 520 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:49,600 frequencies on the spirit box again and 521 00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:54,490 it was a little curl giggling and that 522 00:26:00,900 --> 00:25:57,670 really caught me off guard 523 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:00,910 you know crying she's scared sit down 524 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:03,190 okay go she's happy she's comfortable 525 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:06,910 with us now and it seemed to be a few 526 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,010 minutes of just playfulness with 527 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:10,480 whatever was coming through the spirit 528 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,010 box and again I was very skeptical about 529 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:16,960 everything going on I was very young 530 00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:20,650 guard and I think I didn't want wanted 531 00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:24,100 to be real but it was there like this 532 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:28,260 constant voice of a little girl and I 533 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:32,230 kind of just sat there and I took it in 534 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:34,570 and I tried to take it in stride 535 00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:38,440 and then I remember we were sitting in 536 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:41,950 silence just feeling the room out and I 537 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:43,960 was sitting cross-legged on the ground 538 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:49,210 and for a brief moment I felt a weight 539 00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,510 on my legs and they just like hit the 540 00:27:01,800 --> 00:26:55,600 ground like someone had hopped into my 541 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:01,810 lab and I felt fingers not kidding I 542 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:04,990 like felt actual fingers on my neck like 543 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:06,970 someone was sitting in my lab and 544 00:27:10,289 --> 00:27:08,050 hugging me 545 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:10,299 and 546 00:27:15,570 --> 00:27:13,780 I just kind of shot back 547 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:15,580 and immediately it felt like the fingers 548 00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:18,310 left and the weight was lifted off my 549 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:20,680 legs and something like ran out of the 550 00:27:36,739 --> 00:27:33,860 and I I looked in the doorway of the 551 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,749 room and my buddy Greg Bishop was 552 00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,940 standing in the doorway and immediately 553 00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:41,460 when I felt the weight lift and this 554 00:27:45,739 --> 00:27:44,039 cold rush leave the room he like stepped 555 00:27:49,129 --> 00:27:45,749 aside in the doorway like someone had 556 00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,139 run past him and he looked over at me 557 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:51,539 and I'm like in the corner of white as a 558 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:54,960 ghost like something just left my lab 559 00:27:59,509 --> 00:27:57,570 and he's in the doorway like something 560 00:28:02,690 --> 00:27:59,519 just passed me and we made eye contact 561 00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:02,700 like what the just happened 562 00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:13,810 I just remember sitting there while 563 00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:17,030 everyone else kind of was still trying 564 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:20,660 to communicate with this Lilly girl or 565 00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:24,020 whoever was in the room and I knew she 566 00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:24,950 was gone 567 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:27,950 ready but whatever was in the room with 568 00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:33,150 us was gone and that was a moment that 569 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:36,300 I felt it and it wasn't the spirit box 570 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:41,250 it wasn't you know a cold spot it wasn't 571 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:44,130 anything like that it was somebody 572 00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:47,750 sitting in my lap giving me a hug and 573 00:28:53,780 --> 00:28:51,630 then running out of the room and I'd 574 00:29:00,620 --> 00:28:53,790 never felt anything like that before 575 00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:00,630 that or since then and I don't know what 576 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:02,700 to make of it I don't know if it was 577 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,050 spirit if I had conjured this image in 578 00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:10,020 my head of this little girl in the room 579 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:12,780 and I made more of something that wasn't 580 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:16,830 there but I I can't remember ever 581 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,710 feeling so much in the moment except 582 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:22,320 when I had my own UFO sighting as a kid 583 00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:26,130 and the world was so clear in that 584 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:30,540 moment for me and I just remember 585 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:32,910 getting up and leaving the room 586 00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:35,330 and everyone went on did there's things 587 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:38,460 catching orbs and things going off on 588 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:41,190 their devices and I just got so 589 00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:46,350 overwhelmed with like emotion and and I 590 00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:50,460 was scared but I was also like happy I I 591 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:52,830 don't know I don't know what it was but 592 00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:55,770 I had to leave the museum and I just 593 00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:57,510 went out into the front parking lot by 594 00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:00,690 myself and I kind of like caught my 595 00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:03,870 breath and I didn't know what to do next 596 00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:09,990 I was I was in another country on an 597 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:13,020 island stuck there and I just had my 598 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:16,050 like paradigm shifted and I felt 599 00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:18,059 like I was 12 years old again like I 600 00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:23,409 I wanted someone to tell me that didn't 601 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:27,590 happen but I just kind of I don't know I 602 00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:30,710 just stood up there for god knows how 603 00:30:33,249 --> 00:30:31,190 long 604 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:33,259 I took someone came out I was like you 605 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,049 are right man like what's going on and I 606 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:39,200 just remember that whole weekend I was 607 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:42,690 more in tune with everything around me 608 00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,170 it that that ghost experience like if it 609 00:31:04,490 --> 00:30:59,820 was a ghost or whatever it definitely 610 00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:04,500 changed my outlook on life I've had a 611 00:31:13,499 --> 00:31:10,379 I don't know how you'd say I've I've 612 00:31:17,009 --> 00:31:13,509 lost a lot of people in my life wait 613 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:17,019 earlier than I ever anticipated and I 614 00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,390 I had some moments in the past 615 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:24,720 year-and-a-half that 616 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,220 in my personal life with family that 617 00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:31,440 just hits you out of nowhere and makes 618 00:31:39,849 --> 00:31:35,519 you realize like anything can happen at 619 00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:39,859 the drop of a dime and life can stop and 620 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:49,250 it really puts into perspective that it 621 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:51,930 seems so cliche but like we're only here 622 00:31:57,650 --> 00:31:53,490 for a limited amount of time 623 00:32:00,170 --> 00:31:57,660 wideout things why why he closed 624 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:00,180 yourself off like see what's out there 625 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,170 and it took almost losing someone in my 626 00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:10,320 life who means the world to me to really 627 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:12,990 accept that and not just sit on my ass 628 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:18,480 and wonder like get out there big 629 00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:21,210 out or don't but at least I could say I 630 00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,440 Drive every person I talk to is one step 631 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:30,880 closer for them 632 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:33,610 closure for them to at least get their 633 00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:35,770 story out there have someone listen and 634 00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:41,020 have people like take that in and that's 635 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:43,390 what I love I love telling stories I 636 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:46,270 love creating characters that's why 637 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:49,390 we're in this theater like I love how 638 00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:52,570 people tick and what they think how it 639 00:32:59,250 --> 00:32:56,380 you know how that translates into what 640 00:33:01,650 --> 00:32:59,260 they do and how it changes their lives 641 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:01,660 and that's what plays are and that's 642 00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:03,280 what's happening to these people you 643 00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:06,670 know whether the UFO fell in their lap 644 00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:09,580 or you know they felt the cold touch of 645 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:12,940 a spirit or something like that's gonna 646 00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:15,670 change them in so many different ways I 647 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:19,420 think breaking down those walls and 648 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:21,880 letting the audience become a part of 649 00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:24,550 the play is where we're finally gonna 650 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:26,740 find some answers like when we finally 651 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:29,140 can look up at that UFO or whatever and 652 00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:33,070 be like I get it I get it like come play 653 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:34,630 with us let's like do this together 654 00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,750 instead of like showing me yourself for 655 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:39,760 half a second disappear for a blink of 656 00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:41,980 an eye and leave me wondering for the 657 00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:44,980 rest life you know let's do this 658 00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:45,520 together 659 00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:52,720 I mean it sounds like that experience 660 00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:56,430 was definitely removing that removing 661 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:00,750 that wall from the stage yeah yeah yeah 662 00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:02,370 dude I mean did that right there was the 663 00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,460 moment of link not only like breaking 664 00:34:10,670 --> 00:34:08,280 that fourth wall but like grabbing the 665 00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:10,680 person in the front row I like their 666 00:34:17,899 --> 00:34:13,350 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